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Thin and Reasonably Attractive, but Plain

Neguy says:
June 14, 2016 at 12:21 pm

Interesting analysis. I would suspect we’d find them clustered in certain communities too.

Personally, my church has a large cohort of 20somethings. Many of them are very serious Christians. I suspect a number of virgins among them. This is the only church I’ve ever attended where I hear people talk about having actually waited until marriage to have sex. These women are mostly thin and reasonably attractive, but also plain in appearance. In part it’s because they’re not making much effort to make themselves look good. Nor do I see them acting flirtatious or otherwise showing guys that they’d welcome an approach. Among singles, the ratio is heavily skewed female. The only downside is that I’m in a big city, so the women have a career orientation.
If you’re a quality younger man with game, I think my church would be a good place to find someone to marry.

Like I’ve said before, see its not enough that a woman is “thin and reasonably attractive”. No, that is too plain and boring. She needs to be HOT! While this commenter doesn’t explicitly say HOT, it is very much implied. The women aren’t making an effort to make themselves look good, yet at the same time they are thin and reasonably attractive. Flirtatious? See now, if women do that though they run the risk of coming off as slutty or too forward. Its pretty much damned if you do, damned if you don’t with these guys because they want fried ice.

And oh dear, these women don’t show guys that they would welcome an approach. Yet these men are too afraid to take the risk and ask them out. Its like middle school dance where the boys are lined up on one wall and the women on another, both afraid to make a move. Don’t they understand that if they want a virgin woman, that also comes with inexperience and perhaps not as much confidence as a woman who is not a virgin. So, she will be more shy, timid, not sure how to speak up for herself when she sees a man she wants. Men need to take the risk of approaching. Scary, I know, but if they are afraid of what appears to be the best weeded out wholesome, Christian girls, they aren’t going to be much of a protector of their virgin bride. Women can sense fear a mile away. That is another reason why they might not have their “welcome” face on. Maybe she just isn’t into you (because of sensing fear).

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13 thoughts on “Thin and Reasonably Attractive, but Plain

  1. “I guess I don’t see the problem with the men saying the women were “plain looking”. It’s an observation.”

    Yes, there IS a problem with it. It’s because you have this perfect little image in your mind. I know plenty of really great ladies with magnetic personalities, physically fit, neat and clean and modest in dress. A couple of them are very plain. Another girl I know has a stunningly beautiful face. She is a teacher and a very talented one. She has a beautiful voice and one of the best cooks among our twentysomething set. However, she would be scorned by all of you men because she is overweight. Her entire family is heavyset. However, I have seen her eat and cook for herself and it is all VERY healthy food. She also has run a couple of marathons, so while there might be something not right somewhere, it certainly isn’t because she’s fat and lazy, as many of you would immediately say.

    And, as a final note, you claim to be a married man. So, frankly, you are spreading scandal by your complaining and whining over all and sundry. I’ve seen enough of your comments to find you to be either faking it (you aren’t really married although you claim to be) or clandestinely sneaking around complaining because your wife doesn’t meet your expectations. Anybody who complains as much as you do deserves whatever grief you’re getting, if indeed you are getting it, and I seriously doubt it. Why don’t you stop commenting and whining and get off your computer and your fantasies about how women “ought” to be and love your wife for a change.

    *Deep breath*

    I can’t wait to hear Deti respond to this one…..I bet it’ll be a doozy. 🙂 And to think there are women out there who stroke his ego with “poor baby”…..uh, this guy claims he’s married, so your enabling him is tantamount to worming your way into his marriage. Ignore him, girls, you are treading into dangerous waters and you DO NOT want to go there.

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  2. “I think women should expect to be a wee bit more forward, since our society’s moved in that direction for quite a while. Women wanting to find suitable, marriageable men should be expected to put forth some effort to find them.”

    *Sigh*

    When, oh when will you EVER learn that the kind of girls all of you men claim you want — submissive, meek, quiet, Godly, what you will — will in all great likelihood have been raised to be feminine and submissive, meaning that they would NEVER act in a bold, forward manner. You can’t have it both ways. The closest they will get to being forward is to offer you a dessert at a church social. I know I, and most of my girlfriends, wouldn’t have dared flirt with a man; we would have been slapped with the slut label immediately and most of us would never have found a husband within our circles. Only if we went outside it where nobody would have heard about our “reputation” would we have had a chance.

    You blatantly fail to understand ANY of this. It just isn’t going to happen. Men are the pursuers, the women the object of pursuit. This is something drummed into the heads of “proper” girls from the beginning. We were taught from the earliest years to not conform to society. On one side of your mouth you want women to be traditional; on the other side you want women to be more forward. They rarely come together in the picture-perfect world you have spun online. Wake up and face reality and get off your computers.

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  3. 1. I guess I don’t see the problem with the men saying the women were “plain looking”. It’s an observation.

    2. I think women should expect to be a wee bit more forward, since our society’s moved in that direction for quite a while. Women wanting to find suitable, marriageable men should be expected to put forth some effort to find them.

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  4. Eavan said:

    “It’s almost like they don’t realize that the only difference between a pretty girl and a hot girl is dress, makeup, and demeanor.”

    Right. A hot girl doesn’t wake up hot–that takes about an hour of prep.

    I suppose if the guys were just a little bit more experienced, they’d know that.

    I don’t think that everybody that is “hot” is an awful marriage risk (because “hot” has gotten to be the societal standard for young people so a lot of perfectly nice people look like that), but it’s pretty weird to penalize reasonably attractive church-going women for not looking and acting like harlots.

    What ever happened to asking women out and seeing if they get prettier on a date?

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  5. Also, given the obsession these men have with being cuckolded, you’d think they’d realize that choosing a girl who purposefully doesn’t try to create wanting in men could be a good preventive against affairs. It’s almost like they don’t realize that the only difference between a pretty girl and a hot girl is dress, makeup, and demeanor. A hot girl wants to be wanted by all the attractive men – that’s why she’s showing she’s hot, you know? How is this girl a good marriage prospect?

    It’s just evident that if I choose to marry Mr. Studly Make-All-the-Women-Pant I’m probably going to have to deal with women throwing themselves at him all the time and the attendant worry. The more temptation there is, the more likely there will be sin. Do these guys imagine that hot girl is going to stop wanting all the men to want her just because she’s married? These girls, the thin and reasonably attractive ones, are the way older women used to tell marriage-minded young women to be – be the kind of woman a man will marry. Now a girl is too plain if she’s obviously the marrying kind.

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  6. Aethelfrith,

    You’re totally right about diminishing returns and bodybuilding. At some point, ewwww. A little bit goes a long way.

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  7. Oh brother, the manosphere obsession with bodybuilding. It has its merits when it comes to reversing obesity, but past a certain point diminishing returns set in.

    Have you ever been to an online bodybuilding community? Even though it’s all guys they are more catty than the mean girls at high school. It also doesn’t help that Eliot Rodger frequently ranted at bodybuilding.com

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  8. Eavan said:

    “What are the chances that a girl with so many prospects (or a “hot” girl) is going to choose a man who believes she’s lower “value” than he is based on her sex and who will work tirelessly to make sure she never gets any ideas he doesn’t tell her to have? The only girls who will go for this are girls who already believe they’re of no value and girls like that don’t tend to care a great deal about their looks.”

    Right.

    There are better “deals” out there–more respect, more compassion, more help, less entitlement and a shorter list of “honey dos” for the wife.

    Also, for a lot of people, the courtship and newlywed years are as good as it gets in terms of being nice to their significant other. If this is as good as it gets, what do the bad years look like?

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  9. What are the chances that a girl with so many prospects (or a “hot” girl) is going to choose a man who believes she’s lower “value” than he is based on her sex and who will work tirelessly to make sure she never gets any ideas he doesn’t tell her to have? The only girls who will go for this are girls who already believe they’re of no value and girls like that don’t tend to care a great deal about their looks. I grew up in a culture very similar to the one these men advocate – the men had submissive wives, but not reasonably attractive or even plain ones. They were good wives, but nowhere even close to hot and they certainly stringently avoided anything that would draw attention to themselves.

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  10. Aethelfrith said:

    “If the majority of romantic prospects are rejected from the start due to one criterion, you don’t have the right to be (more) picky.”

    Yeah. Or to put it differently, if you reject 95% of applicants from the start due to one criterion, you can’t be even more picky and expect sympathy for how HARD it is to find anybody.

    For instance, as a single lady, I could date only bodybuilders or only experts on Kant, but if I were to date only bodybuilders who are experts on Kant, I wouldn’t get a lot of sympathy. (But, on the other hand, bodybuilding experts on either Nietzsche or Ayn Rand would be much more promising!)

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  11. If the majority of romantic prospects are rejected from the start due to one criterion, you don’t have the right to be (more) picky.

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